Post by Chenbot on Sept 24, 2010 17:45:53 GMT -6
Finale
Houseguests: Natalie Cunial, Ronnie Talbott
The alliance of Natalie and Ronnie made it to the end and all that was left was to crown a winner.
Oh my. My jury strategy is to show people I wasn't just a nice girl laying back and sliding through, it's to show them that hell yeah, I was smart in making sure I knew when to make the right moves! I'm being a bit mean to the people asking me questions. But with Nick and Jen, I have to show that I was well aware that I was at risk and therefore both had to go, while at the same complimenting them. I'm trying for the Todd from China jury strategy. Yeah, I did it, but because you were too good! I'm not taking chances with hoping that Ronnie's jury questions will fail. I need to wow them with my fine tuned awareness of what was going on. I may lose a vote, but this vote should NOT be about "I don't want Ronnie to win, so I guess I'll vote Natalie..." it has to be "Natalie proved why she should win." I would rather lose to Ronnie and explain myself thoroughly and show that I was a gameplayer in a bitter jury than win against Ronnie by taking the easy way out and just answering softball questions to show that I played more than Ronnie (who did nothing).
So sadly, I'd be willing to be a Russell type loser than a Natalie type winner - if that's what it takes. But I didn't play like Russell, so there's no reason to worry that much. But I've been waiting for jury and I hope I do well!
The Final 2 had to plead their cases to the jury of 9.
Natalie: I came into the game wanting to have fun and play a good game. I definitely feel that I accomplished both, and I managed to get myself to the finals as well. One thing about me is that people may not realize how strongly I understood the game and made sure that I made the "right move, right place, right time". I didn't talk with everyone about strategy, but that's because I tried to keep things to people who were essential to my game survival. My goal was to know how to play smartly and efficiently and not overplay the game. But nonetheless I enjoyed talking with everyone I had even if it wasn't about the game. And I can't wait to catch up with everyone after this is all done!
Ronnie: My game was more for survival. I was playing on a week to week basis. Yes, I did have a strategy in my head but during this I was nominated seven times, including the first week. Although I only won HoH twice and on veto, I won them in times of desperate measure. They saved me, or someone who I was helping. I was constantly a target this episode whereas Natalie was known as the nice girl who got along with everyone. People did things to intentionally hurt me and so I had to fight back many times. Eventually, my plans turned out okay. Once I was even completely voted out but because of my eviction flipper 'mystery gift' I was able to stay. By a vote of 10-1 I believe. With all odds against me, I made it to the final two and believe that I had the hardest ride to come by, with the most forceful way about going about things, only to save myself. Thank you all for an amazing game.
First up to speak is Brian.
Brian: Congrats on making it to final 2 guys!
Natalie, even though we found ourselves in opposite sides in both seasons we both played rather well. Gameplay is a large part of this game, so here is my question for you. What sets you apart from other all-stars this season other than the fact that you are in the final 2? Do you think you played strategic the entire time or just when it counted?
Ronnie, despite trying to befriend you when we approached Final 5, you always seemed paranoid with me. That probably wasn't a good idea at the time but I guess it paid off for you in the end. I spoke to other people, and I was still loyal so you had nothing to fear. My question to you is... What players would you say were integral in keeping you each and every week and how far do you think you could have gone had there not been the season 2 alliance?
Ronnie: I feel that much of this game would have looked differently without the season 2 alliance I eventually acquired. Natalie was definitely a huge help to my success, along with a few others along the road. I was only paranoid of you because I felt threatened when you put me on block. You weren't really ever my TARGET, I just had to play a defensive game in order to continue on. I guess I became a little paranoid due to all of the times I had to be on that treacherous block. People like you allowed me to continue on in the game, and then by chance winning the proper HoH and vetos (along with using my mystery power at the right time) I managed to maintain my houseguest status. Thank you for a very well played game, my friend.
Natalie: I think my Diary Room entries will show that I was playing the game from Day 1 - or in the case of with Jen and Sharon - before the game began - ie back in season 2. I don't think anyone would've believed when we found out that there's 18 players in all-stars (main house), that one person would've never been up post-veto. With no inactives, to avoid post-veto nominations (and only one nomination - thanks to Brian ) was a tough thing to do. I think David was the only other person who was aiming to try for that same strategy. I just took better notes and won the final HoH to accomplish that feat - although he did have a tough nomination against Kevin as well. But I never had a vote, never was eligible to be voted on. That makes me different!
While I didn't make bold moves until the second half of the jury phase, I tried to do little things along the way to ensure that my allies were in a better place and my enemies were in a worse place. But I think my Diary Room entries will show that I had a keen awareness of what was going on in the game and that I knew what needed to happen but was always waiting for the right time to enact my plans.
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Next is Nick.
Nick: Neither of you made any attempt to get to know me in this game.
Natalie--Numerous times I tried to spark up a conversation with you, you were nice, and that's great, but why does "nice" deserve to win. You never once started a conversation with me, plus you nominated me calling Brian and me threats. You had all your information second-hand when it came to me, and never once gave me the benefit of the doubt. My question for you is...Do you think playing "nice" is a valid reason for winning this game? In my opinion, playing "nice" doesn't really prove you're a solid game-player.
Ronnie--You were a target throughout the entire game, forcing you to rely on a strong social game. With Brian and I coming into the game, I would have at least expected some sort of welcome to the house, at the VERY least. You never once had a conversation with me. You never once made me feel like you even deserved to be in the game. It was like playing with a ghost, never visible, but your presence loomed. It seemed to me that you used your connections with season 2 to get you this far, and even THAT began to fall apart on you. I believe you were brought to the end by strong players. Therefore, your social game sucked, your competition game sucked, and your strategy was non-existent. Here is my question: Why do you deserve to be there over, say, Jase or Jen? Why should you get any votes just for being a terrible game-player?
Ronnie: Although I never personally messaged you, I posted regularly in the living room and other rooms engaging in overall conversation- I'm sorry that I wasn't so welcoming into the house, I was worried about my own surviving. Although my competition skill were sub-par in many accords, I did compete and was in the game- and eventually won them at the most critical times for myself. I did have alliances with people that weren't belonging to season 2- even if only a few people knew about them. My specialties were hidden from most players- secret alliances/conversations and mystery winnings (eviction swap). Although I laid as low as I could, I think that surviving 7 nominations is an accomplishment in itself. I did rely on my alliances though, there is no question about that- but in the end I won vital competitions. Again, I'm sorry for an improper welcoming, it was just another item on my plate that came after staying in the game. Thank you for a fun game and an interesting interrogation.
Natalie: Nick, I think a theme for me that I really want to show in my answers is that I did NOT want to overplay this game. I knew full well that those who overplayed, played too quickly too fast (examples: Janelle, Jen, Ronnie, Matt, etc.) would be targetted early.
I purposely laid back until it was necessary for me to do so. It wasn't based on a lack of ability. It was a showing of strong restraint. I won plenty of challenges, and against the very very capable David as well (and against Jen for that matter). But those final challenges I won, were not easy, but I won them all. Plus I was very social with everyone once you and Jen were gone. That was when I knew I had to play the game.
I may have looked nice to you, Nick, but I think I played a game that was efficient. I got lots of information from key people most of the time instead of trying to get it from them directly - because if I had tried to do that (like coughJencough), I'd look like a huge gameplayer and I'd have a huge target on my back. But I wasn't nice to Jen - who I forced to vote you out. And I wasn't nice to you - who I put on the block despite you thinking I was good with you. I played hard when I needed but I did so and got results. I made moves that benefitted me only. I wasn't a pawn. But in reality Nick, out of all the players, I think I talked to you more than lots of others during jury phase. So while you think I didn't try to get to know you. I actually did, but I think you wanted to talk more about the game anyway rather than life. So I just went with what you were talking about.
Nick, you were a threat to me, because you had Jen in love, you had David on the side helping you out and you had a strong ally with Brian (who subsequently was working with Jase on the side and Ronnie at one point in the past). You were very charming and were able to get Jen to vote out Steven - who at one point was in her F2. Anyone that can get Jen to do what you want is a strong player. Therefore you had to go.
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Jen was next to question the Final 2.
Jen: It is safe to say that when i was evicted, i might add that episode was the highest rated out of ANY BBR episode ever!! So anyway, when i was evicted it is safe to say you ran this shit, winning 4/5 of the remaining competitions, but my question is, what did you do BEFORE i was evicted, people may say you did nothing and laid low, so girl, tell us, before i left what was your game plan and what strategic moves did you move?
Now Ronnie *blows kisses* this is for you!
You where nominated 7 times, now ok you survived them all, but boy being nominated is not good gameplay! You should have tried to keep a clean slate and so i need you to tell me why you let yourself go up so many times?! You seem to have had no sway over anyone's decisions! Also, i need to know some strategic power plays you made, list me 3 please with reasons of how they affected the game!
Ronnie: Jennifer. I think the thing to look at here was being nominated and surviving seven times. I don't think that many people from season two had a strong liking for me, and so naturally neither did the other ones. I started off on a bad foot and there wasn't much I could do except tread water the entire time. Which I did, making enemies along the way to keep myself alive. Winning HoH at F5 was a huge deal breaker for me- enabling me to stay another week and decide who got to go home. Making the season 2 alliance was also a huge helpout to me, without all of you, I don't see any way that I could have made it all the way here. Or even on jury house for that matter. My mystery box eviction swap was definitely my game saver. With all odds against me, I had something up my sleeve when no one thought possible. Even by being nominated by season 2 alliances, I still survived and showed up when I needed. Thank you for an amazing game and a flirty involvement. You picture is HOT!
Natalie: Truth Jen?
Let's show you what I did before you left. It wasn't a coincidence you got evicted, hun. My biggest strategic move wasn't helping confirm the season 2 alliance in week 3. I can't take sole responsibility for that, but I admit it was a significant move. And it wasn't by being a successful evicting vote week every single week since jury phase (when I could vote).
My biggest strategic move was to help you out the door, all by ensuring that your F2 mate Nick went out first. I knew that there was no way that Jen could be taken out until Nick went first. If Jen ever had been on the block - Nick (or by proxy Brian maybe) could've vetoed her off. But once Nick was gone, I knew Brian and Jen wouldn't work together as closely. Therefore Jen wouldn't have the numbers to save herself. And I don't think anyone saw me putting up Nick and Brian together. No one had a real reason to, except me, who saw them as a strong threat to truly win the game. I felt that if both of them made it to F6, one of them easily would've made finals. And both of them had many friends on the jury.
I'm lying a bit in my jury statements, oh my. Nothing big, but luckily my gameplay was truly kept so close to my heart, that no one can call me out on it. No one knew how I would've really played. After Sharon left, 100% trust went out the door.
But I'm trying my best to show why I deserve the win, and at this point, with Ronnie's lack of response, I think I'll get votes simply because I took a goat to the finals. I'll be interested to see how many people voted for me to win, not how many voted for Ronnie to lose. I know Laura's vote will be that. But I think that others may help me earn the win.
I didn't play the most spectacular game, but I played a solid game that was predicated D1 through astute observations. I'm not stupid. And playing Jen all the time is probably the only thing I can claim to fame.
Apparently I was the only one to not fail in all-stars for my relationship with Jen!
David was next.
David: Hey Ronnie and Natalie! You're probably gonna hate me after my questions. Not because they are mean spirited... but because they are very long. 0.o First time I've ever asked a jury question in a BB game since my first two games in 2007... the feelings and emotions are coming back to me... WHY BRANDY WHY WHY?!?!?! *and scene*
I ask that you atleast answer two of these questions, 2 out of any of the 3 I ask. You can answer the 3rd if you so wish.
Natalie and Ronnie, if your opponent was to win the game, list three reasons why they won/would win & if they were to lose list 3 reasons why they lost/would/should lose.
If they lost it's because...
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If they won it's because...
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Part two, I want you to start off with week 1, down to week 14(?), and list what you did socially, competitively, or strategically to stay off the block, or survive the eviction. Do you think that week was just lucky for you, or did you actually play a part in your surviving?
Week ______ I...
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Finally (don't kill me ) although this isn't Survivor, Richard Hatch stated in season 1 of Survivor what he believed were the three most important elements in winning a game. They were as follows; know who you are, know others (at a game level, not necessarily real life), and have a moral code. My final question set to you is, did you play the game with these factors? If so how? Do you believe those things I mentioned are the three most important factors of winning Big Brother? If not, what's your take on what those three factors are and how did you effectively use those three factors to play the game and win?
Natalie: If Ronnie lost it's because...
1. 9 people voted to evict him in week 4 and only 1 person voted to save him.
2. He was nominated 8 times overall - more weeks than half.
3. He didn't play to win, just to get by.
If Ronnie won it's because...
1. His story arc goes from week 1 target to finalist and overcame all odds.
2. He aligned with the right players early in the game to take him far.
3. He showed that he's more than a caricature of his character.
Part two, I want you to start off with week 1, down to week 14(?), and list what you did socially, competitively, or strategically to stay off the block, or survive the eviction. Do you think that week was just lucky for you, or did you actually play a part in your surviving?
I think the only weeks where I had a legitimate fear that I might go up were 2, 9 and 11 - when Laura or Brian was HoH. The others times, I felt relatively safe. So I don't think luck ever really had much to do with it.
Week ______ I...
1 - I talked to Jordan pre-game and knew I was not a threat to her. Therefore she had no reason to nominate me, because I probably would've kept her safe too that week.
2 - I had aligned with Matt day 1 - and by that point he was talking with the others in power at that time and he arranged for me to stay safe.
3 - Matt was using me so he didn't nominate me. Jase aligned with me so he didn't nominate me and by that time season 2 alliance was confirmed.
4 - I aligned with Jen the week before and I talked with her extensively about her nominations.
5 - Ronnie trusted me then as he did before - and he went after his targets - which only benefited me as well.
6 - Keesha and I had been talking lots up until about week 4-5, so she knew that there was a connection between us that could be used down the road. I wasn't a threat to her then. Jen - well she told me her nominations.
7 - I talked to David after he was nominated and tried to help him figure out who saved/evicted him. This lead to us talking about who he'd nominate. Plus Jen used co-HoH and this helped me find out who would be nominated.
8 - I won HoH. I was mostly gone that week on vacation though. And Keesha's power nullified it all.
9 - Jen brokered a deal with Brian/Nick to help keep me safe. I never actually talked to Brian/Nick about that deal, but it kept me safe at least.
10 - I won HoH and put up Brian/Nick. I never shook on the deal though :S
11 - I won veto. This allowed Jen to be voted out for the first time ever. It was also a memory type competition. But I was good at guessing too.
12 - Ronnie won HoH and I won veto to cement those nominations and then Ronnie and I could vote out whoever we wanted.
13 - I win HoH and veto - Ronnie stays safe.
14 - I win HoH.
Finally (don't kill me ) although this isn't Survivor, Richard Hatch stated in season 1 of Survivor what he believed were the three most important elements in winning a game. They were as follows; know who you are, know others (at a game level, not necessarily real life), and have a moral code. My final question set to you is, did you play the game with these factors? If so how? Do you believe those things I mentioned are the three most important factors of winning Big Brother? If not, what's your take on what those three factors are and how did you effectively use those three factors to play the game and win?
No wonder you won endurance challenges You know how to keep things going.
I know who I am. In fact, I made a strict decision on how I wanted to play from day 1. See my opening statement to see how I wanted to play. I knew others from a game stand point as well. In my diary rooms I always analysed others' behaviours and what it meant for me and the overall game. My moral code was to get to know others, but to know how to not overplay, when to make the right move, and how to purposely make myself weak so that I don't become a target. It's not coincidence that many people wanted to include me in their alliance.
Ronnie: if she lost
: its cause she sat back a lot of the game and let people bicker
: she was always on EVERYONES side, and never drew definite lines
: she won HoH late- when lines between enemies and friends were drawn already, showing that she wouldnt stick her head out and be a game player, just a watcher
if she won
: her leanant strategy carried her
: she won many late HoHs
: she allied with season 2'ers
i think this part is awfully long so ima summarize. 8 of these weeks i was trying to keep by head above water. i know no one likes hearing this, but just to be able to survive that many weeks is enough said. yes- i did have people helping me towards the end as the game played on, but sometimes i relied of pure luck, fate and the brilliance of mystery to get this far. on other weeks, i helped form an alliance, won hohs, won vetos, and had some major strategizing going on when it got down to the final 4 and 5.
the things that you need most are not to know yourself, but being open to change. not knowing others, but accepting who they are and being ready for friendship or enemies. not having a moral code, but setting up guidlines for yourself- the most important guideline being that if all else fails, get a new set of guidlines. being able to strategize throughout the whole game has to be nice, but when you start on block- you sure as hell better be ready to adapt and fast.
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Jase questioned his fellow season 2 veterans.
Jase: Hey final two! What allstar-worthy steps did you take in the game that you think put you ahead of the other houseguests?
Natalie: Hi Jase!
My allstar worthy moves were to win more competitions than the others. I won the HoHs when they counted. And I won the most HoHs (4) than others. I also happened to win the last three vetoes. Because toward the end of the game, vetos become as powerful as the HoH, as I can control who has the majority in the vote. But it also allowed me to keep the streak of never getting a single eviction vote in this game. I relied on my social game to not make me a threat to begin - but I knew when winning competitions would be good for my benefit.
Ronnie: I think the thing to look at here was being nominated and surviving eight times. I don't think that many people from season two had a strong liking for me, and so naturally neither did the other ones. I started off on a bad foot and there wasn't much I could do except tread water the entire time. Which I did, making enemies along the way to keep myself alive. Winning HoH at F5 was a huge deal breaker for me- enabling me to stay another week and decide who got to go home. Making the season 2 alliance was also a huge helpout to me, without all of you, I don't see any way that I could have made it all the way here. Or even on jury house for that matter. My mystery box eviction swap was definitely my game saver. With all odds against me, I had something up my sleeve when no one thought possible. Even by being nominated by season 2 alliances, I still survived and showed up when I needed.
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Steven went next.
Steven: Natalie: How faithful do you feel you were to each member of Season 2, and do you feel like that was your biggest alliance that got you where you are now?
Ronnie: Do you feel you deserve to be in the Final 2 when you had clearly given up at one point in the game?
Natalie: I feel that the Season 2 alliance was integral to how I got to the end. There is no doubt. In fact, even when it was breaking up, I made sure to help everyone stick together. Or at the least, that they were still all loyal to me.
I was faithful most of all to Ronnie. We stuck through it, we didn't always talk a lot, but in the beginning and the end we always did. But part of it was because our conversations would've been "I'm saving you".
Steven, I had nothing to do with your eviction. And I wish I had been around to try to talk some sense into Jen. I'm sure she regrets it now. Obviously I would have rather Brian gone as I put him up, but things worked out where s2 still was 4 parts of f6 - and those that stayed true to you were 3 parts of f4.
The weird thing with Jase is that on the surface it looks like I didn't trust him since I put him up. But Jase was behind only Ronnie for me. The reason I put up Jase as a renom - was because anyone else would have been evicted over Nick. That's more a testament to Nick's ability to sway votes really. But what was interesting is that David, Jen and Ronnie all admit that they wanted Jase gone sooner than later - but when it came to it, they all put their trust in me and evicted Nick instead. So when I put Jase up, it was to be a pawn. I knew what I was doing. And Ronnie evicted Jase even though I would have preferred Jase to stay.
As for Jen. I was not faithful to Jen. I talked with others to make sure Jen goes. I didn't trust Jen from D1. How could I after she took me out at F6 last time. This time around I took her out at F6. Karma.
Ronnie: my giving up was a strategy to win the least votes in a compeition- did it work? i still have allstars fooled, did it work? of course it did! i survived 8 noms. thats not the practical way to play the game but it is the most inspiring. when everything was failing for me i used simple strategies and determination to work my way through. thank you for all you did for me and your partnership with me and others. i hurt to see you go so early :/
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Kevin replaced M.I.A. Dan.
Kevin: Natalie. Hey Girl. You played a great game. I felt like you didn't get the chance to know me, Yeah it's a two way street but you never took the time to PM me, or Anything like that... So I don't know anything about you so anyways i have questions for you.
1) Please Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who played the best game to 9 being who played the worst
2) Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who you got along with personal to who you least got along with
3) If you had to replace your self and Ronnie with 2 jurors who would they be and why.
4) Compare each Juror to someone from the real big brother and say why.
5) Compare each juror to a color and say why
6) Could you have won this game without all your challenge wins? and do you feel like you relied on them in a way?
7) Why did you pick Natalie to play as?
8) What is your favorite color?
9) what did you think of me personally?
Hey Ronnie! How are ya?l. same with Natalie we never talked, So I have questions to try and help me with my decision...
1) Please Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who played the best game to 7 being who played the worst and say why
2) Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who you got along with personal to who you least got along with and say why
3) If you had to replace your self and Natalie with 2 jurors who would they be and why.
4) Compare each Juror to someone from the real big brother and say why.
5) Compare each juror to a color and say why
6) Do you think if Jen put you up instead of David when I was nominated, Do you think you would have been evicted over me?
7) In your opinion why was I the target that week, When I was up against a previous winner, who almost won again? Was that that a smart move to get rid of me? Why or Why Not?
8) Why did you pick Ronnie to play as? I didn't like him in BB11 so I think that's what made you a target
9) What is your favorite color
10) What did you think of me personally?
Natalie: 1) Game
1. Brian
2. David
3. Nick
4. Keesha
5. Steven
6. Kevin
7. Laura
8. Jase
9. Jen
Concidentally people that got blindsided by Jen were lower than those that made moves before/after Jen got to them.
2) Personal
1. Jen
2. David
3. Keesha
4. Nick
5. Steven
6. Jase
7. Brian
8. Laura
9. Kevin
3) David - because he played a very similar game as last time and still got far. The only reason he was never an immediate threat to me was because he was instrumental for me in votes up until F4. There was a very good chance we would've had a double winner. He played the social game just like me, but unfortunately he sided on a different side than I did. That's the difference between us two.
Keesha - would be a better replacement for Ronnie, because if we say that Ronnie's story arc of playing against all odds got him to where he did, I would say Keesha did an even better job of doing that. Plus Keesha was extremely active in this game and was not only someone who just couldn't be taken out - she won competitions and was fiercely loyal to her alliance too. For me, it's also a toss-up of who to vote for in that F2 - so it would make for an exciting finale. In fact, if Brian had turned on Jen, I think this final two would've been a strong possibility.
4)
David - Lisa from S3. David played a strong social game in which he was likeable to everyone and put himself as the one that no one wanted to take out. Even when Lisa found herself being the only one in her alliance, she put herself in the position as being an available vote when it counted. David did that with me, he made his vote available for me and was always willing to talk. The difference is that Lisa won the F3 HoH.
Jase - Eric from S8. Eric was good at challenges and could pull them out when needed, but most of all, when he wanted to get revenge after a blindside, he went for it and was very creative in trying to get all angles to make it happen.
Brian - Howie in S6. Brian, even though you came in with Nick, you still ventured outward and tried to set up other things so you can exist without him. But at the same time, you relied on Nick a lot and you guys existed as a pair - much like how Howie relied on Rachel and Janelle in the game. You still won competitions like Howie could as well and you were nice enough too.
Jen - I know you want me to give you Jen, but I can't. Jen played a solo game, you didn't. you are more like the bad side of Evel Dick in S8. You managed to make the game all about you. You also managed to get plenty of people to trust you, when you had no intentions of keeping your truth. You talked to everyone got deals with everyone, but you only actually worked with 1 or 2. You also were unabashedly willing to own up to all the bad things you did and thought it was necessary to win.
Nick - Russell from S11. You played a visible game, but you made deals to help you, but you stuck with a F2 that killed you in the end (and I'm really talking about the Jen one). Good player and someone nice to talk to as well, just got taken out by someone who was a little antsy. Just unfortunate that you got taken out by me when in fact you may have actually stuck with me later on, but I know I wasn't your F2 and that was impeded us from making a better relationship. So, I'm sorry for doubting you.
Keesha - I initially thought Keesha from S10, but that's predictable, but I will say Portuguese Michelle from S10. Michelle's allies got kicked early on, but Michelle had opinions and was outspoken about them, but at the same time, if she had to talk to someone not in her alliance, she would do it as well. She loved to have fun when she talked with people individually and she portrayed a strong resilient female. I felt that you Keesha even though all your allies fell one by one, you kept fighting for their sake and it helped you power on and both of you really took advantage of whenever you had the power.
Laura - I'd say Keesha from S10. Keesha was fun in the house and aligned with strong people, but Keesha thought she would've gotten further but was backstabbed a bit early. Keesha was one of my faves to watch in the season because she was willing to have an opinion as well, but she was entertaining and was able to stay out of the limelight, but at the same time not fake into the background.
Steven - This is mostly coincidental, but Natalie from S9. Mainly because I think we got along like I would get along with Natalie from S9. A person that likes to talk to people and has a genuine interest in others for the sake of just being social. But at the same time I felt Natalie was blindsided and was taken out by others for reasons that felt foolish.
Kevin - I'd say Danielle in S7 (allstars). Danielle started off just floating and being social, but when she needed to ensure her safety, she'd talk to people and try to get things in her favor. But like Danielle's trusting Chilltown, you trusted Jen and that was fatal.
5)
David - Sea Green - Nice and calming, but not bold.
Jase - Dark Grey - Muddled, but not bold, but not neutral either.
Brian - Khaki - A traditional color and goes well with everything, but not noticed right away because you always see it all around.
Jen - Stopsign Red - Hard to ignore unless you're blind. Warning sign.
Nick - Yellow - Bright and alert and powerful.
Keesha - Pink - Enhances some colors, but mostly to be worn for the sake of wearing to have pink. You either want it or don't.
Laura - Blue - Along with Red and Green, makes the three primary colors of light (for three winners). A bit soothing and easy to mix with other colors.
Steven - Teal - Calming and neutral, but also a bit suspicious
Kevin - Purple - Not for the weak to wear, but brings out the best in those that dare to.
6) Could I have? I definitely needed the F3 and F4 HoH and I needed anyone but Jen to win the F6 PoV. The rest of the wins made it easier for me to ensure that my boot order was optimal for me, but they were not essential. F7 HoH really helped solidify my boot order because it allowed me to make deals that week to ensure that I would rarely ever be at risk. F5 Ronnie would've never nommed me. I felt that F4 HoH was very nice to win because it meant immunity, but it's always ideal to win either F4 veto or HoH. So There were only two competitions I would've needed to win, and one or two to prevent opponents from winning. Did I rely on them? No. David and I talked plenty in the final part of the game to discuss how we can benefit each other and David was the biggest challenge competition to me anyway.
7) In season 2, I picked a female that was a bit rambunctious sexually and fun and liked to drink. That was the character I wanted to portray then, and it helped that I knew Chelsia and Sharon in advance and they picked females from that season too, so we knew there would be pictures of us altogether. When I watched the season, Natalie wasn't my fave. So a combination of wanting to be an outrageous character and it complemented what others chose.
8) I like wearing pink, so I'd actually choose that. But I like red too. But I'm color blind, so colors aren't something that I really put too much effort into.
9) I was actually really disappointed that we didn't get to know each other better. I knew some people you liked and all that, but in the fairness of the game, you were not essential to my gameplay, so you fell to the wayside. I could've just talked to you about shows, or how was your day and all and still not talked about the game, but I never saw you on AIM (likely due to schedules), and the people not in my alliance that I got close to (Jordan and Keesha mostly) early in the game was because of those AIM convos. To me, you were someone there, but you weren't after me and you weren't an immediate threat to me.
Ronnie: 1. Brian
2. David
3. Nick
4. Keesha
5. Steven
6. Kevin
7. Laura
8. Jase
9. Jen
1. Jen
2. David
3. Keesha
4. Nick
5. Steven
6. Jase
7. Brian
8. Laura
9. Kevin
it seems we had very similar opinions.
jase and jen should have stayed. they know how to play and they work very well together if they try.
(skipping a few questions- dont mean to offend just on a time crunch)
i most definitely believe that by me not being nominated i would have been evicted if things were changed. surviving a few weeks prior with my mystery power showed that only one person was on my side and things were only going downhill from there. not many people seemed to get to know you very well which i think was the fall of your victory.
ronnie was chosen not so much for the character he played but for the real person he is, out of the game. as in this episode, he has heart and determination- even if he is disliked due to some annoyances. he likes to have fun and he likes to get to business. i thought by choosing him, i would be fighting against the odds and to make it to the final 2 in allstars is showing a lot of effort went into it.
im a fighter, my favorite color has to be red.
personally, i thought you were a guy to be pushed around, but to me that was normal- i was the king of getting pushed around. i feel that some people walked on you undeservingly but in other circumstances you stood up for yourself in gameplay. i think you got out of it what you put in, as did most, and thats all we can ask for.
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Keesha was next.
Keesha: OK, the way you answer Kevin's questions will determine my vote.
Also, to the both of you: What did you think of me as a player?
If I would've made it to the final 2, do you think I could've had a shot at winning? If so, who do you think I could've won against (on the jury) and who I would've lost to.
Did you think of me as someone you could trust? If so, why? If not, why not?
Natalie: Keesha, I thought you were a very loyal player and you were fun to talk to. I really did enjoy our conversations. But after some time, I really didn't log onto AIM as much and we lost contact. I thought that you made shrewd choices that you made in light of what got thrown at you in the game. I think that had you made Jen a closer ally in the beginning of the game or if you had more links to S2 people rather than S1, you could've easily won the game by backstabbing us and going on your own. Early in the game, S2 people told me you were a threat because you were too close to Jordan. That's why I feel that you went up against Janelle. It was meant to separate you off from the rest. But you stuck to your game and you didn't stray.
Before the game began, I feel that you and Nick had strong potential because you two were highly favored from the spectators in S3. Therefore people wanted to align with you guys more than the others from S3.
Keesha - I think you could've won over lots of people - your storyline would've been great. You stuck with Jordan when she went up and you took some bullets in that veto challenge when you offered to give up your vote. To make it far without a vote and make F2 would've been the best come back story ever.
In fact since you still didn't have a vote, you were more of a compromise choice when I put you up in week 8. My original nominations would've likely been Brian vs Laura. But Jase put up Laura and Nick instead. So from my choices of people I would've been willing to put up, you ended up going on the block - David and I agreed not to put each other up that week and I felt Jase, Ronnie, Steven or Jen were too valuable at that time to me to put up.
I think you Keesha would've won over Jen, Jase, Kevin, Brian, or Nick easily. I think vs. Steven, it might have been close but you would likely win. I think you would've lost to David, in fact I'm not sure many of us could win over David with this jury, because of the target on his head from D1. Subsequently, I think Laura would've won as well for having the double-winner edit as well.
Keesha, because I was never formally aligned with you, I can't say I put full trust in you. However, I knew that whatever you told me about the game was honest and truthful and I returned the favor and told you the truth whenever I could. So in that way, if I asked you something, I trusted your word. Could I have trusted that you would've taken me far in this game - I can't say that - because we never had anything concrete in any agreement. We pretty much tried to not target each other, but I felt that at some point, our paths diverged and we couldn't stay just nice acquaintances any more. But that was because of who we each sided with early in the game, not because of our personality traits.
Ronnie: i was most threatened by you compared to any other player out there. you had me scared much of the game because i felt like you were forming alliances behind my back and forcefully keeping me out of them. i felt like you played a really hard game, probably harder than any other player and for that i think that you would have won over anyone. you were similarly compared to a chima role in our season 2 game (whom i disliked and whom seemingly disliked me haha) and so as i said before, i was threatened. there was no way i could stand against you blonde brigade, there was no way i could stand against you. ss2 alliance was the only thing i had going for me for much of the game while trying to keep my head above the water. i know it sounds pathetic, but to be honest, surviving thru that while keeping on a seemingly straight head wasnt a simple task. i feel like you would have succeeded much better and were only eliminated because you were a big player. again i say, i think you played a very well game and was inspired by some of your tactics.
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Laura was the last juror to question.
Laura: Hello final two. I know you both are pretty nervous to be up there. I mean after all, you beat out the best players in Big Brother Recycled - ever. Including all three previous winners. And you're in the final two for the 1st time ever. Congratulations to both of you - even though, I don't think either of you deserve to win. But I guess I have to vote. Here are my questions for the both of you. Be as honest as possible, because honesty is the best policy.
Natalie - Why should you win this game over Ronnie? Why did you vote to evict me? In your opinon who were the biggest targets of this series?
Ronnie-Rat - You were a target all game, so it's no surprise you just decided to float your way through the game.
Both of You - Describe each Juror in one word and give an explanation for why you choose that adjective.
Natalie: Laura I evicted you because you put up Sharon and Ronnie. It was a vengeful vote. Even though I knew you couldn't win HoHs, I voted you because I was loyal to an alliance til the end. Sharon was aligned with me, so therefore I owed it to her to vote you out. I was also aligned with Ronnie from Day 1, therefore I would've never voted him out. I was loyal to my real alliances.
I should win the game because I studied this game inside and out. I was always thinking to myself what my opponent's best moves were so I could try to make sure that I was in the best position as a result. I tried to think in chess moves. I always wanted to anticipate the moves that would have to be made two weeks in advance. I also studied this game inside and out and took the best notes of this series and other series as well. It was not a coincidence that any memory challenge I won. I was a student of this game, and I had to learn from the best.
As such, the biggest targets in this game were Keesha, Jen, David and Nick/Brian. Laura, you would've been a bigger target if you hadn't believed Jen so much. Keesha and David and Brian knew not to trust Jen once jury hit (or even before), therefore they knew when to break away. Plus all of them had many friends in the jury. More than me. And of course the biggest target was Jen. It'd be silly to not acknowledge that she somehow made the game all about her. You were either with her or not.
Kevin - Loyal. Kevin played a very under the radar game and stuck with his alliances yet didn't try to befriend or be nice to anyone not in his alliance.
Laura - Motivator. Laura, you seemed to be the person that could talk to people and get to know them and keep an alliance together to be the glue. Even when things looked down, you seemed to be more optimistic for a group.
Steven - Suspicious. Steven had an inkling that things were odd before Jen decided to vote him out, and Steven knew that Jen wasn't the best person to trust. But unfortunately Jen struck first.
Keesha - Resilient. Even though everyone in her alliance voted her instead of Janelle, Keesha still stuck through and stuck to her word knowing that she was in no better situation switching sides. And Keesha made it far through good competitions and a nice prize.
Nick - Charming. Nick could charm the biggest secret out of you through the way he has with words. That's how he got so much information and to get people to want to align with him.
Jen - Overwhelming. To talk strategy with Jen is a lot to take in. You better be prepared to clear your schedule if you let her do it. But her smarts have to go somewhere, and if she trusts you, she'll give you an earful.
Brian - Dedicated. Brian knew to play the game and I felt he was playing it from the moment he got into the big brother house. He didn't lay back and he played his hardest until the end.
Jase - Patient. Jase was a good listener and when I had to share something with him, he knew how to listen well. I just feel that most people didn't get a chance to know him, but I'm glad I did.
David - Earnest. David was the most honest, endearing player there was in this game. It was no coincidence that few targetted him then. Just a great all around guy!
Ronnie: thanks for not asking me a question?
i would describe everyone but i dont think that is necessary. you have to do what you can to survive- and that is what i had to experience. sometimes you go thru hardship- i went thru 8. sometimes you win and get to take the high road (hohs and vetos) and sometimes you just gotta pull something out of your ass to make things work (mystery box). this makes a game work. you dont sit through life just being nice to everyone and living for how people want you to live. does anyone win that way on the actual show? no. they take action. they make enemies. they survive as long as they can- even if they hang on a string. holding out to the end is the say all end all quality that is seen in me against our precious and loving natalie.
I hate Laura
It was now time for the crowning of the winner. The Final 2 gave their pleas, the jurors voted, and the votes were tallied. In the end, Natalie proved to be the better competitor and won the game by a vote of 8-1. Every juror except Steven voted for her to win.
Houseguests: Natalie Cunial, Ronnie Talbott
The alliance of Natalie and Ronnie made it to the end and all that was left was to crown a winner.
Oh my. My jury strategy is to show people I wasn't just a nice girl laying back and sliding through, it's to show them that hell yeah, I was smart in making sure I knew when to make the right moves! I'm being a bit mean to the people asking me questions. But with Nick and Jen, I have to show that I was well aware that I was at risk and therefore both had to go, while at the same complimenting them. I'm trying for the Todd from China jury strategy. Yeah, I did it, but because you were too good! I'm not taking chances with hoping that Ronnie's jury questions will fail. I need to wow them with my fine tuned awareness of what was going on. I may lose a vote, but this vote should NOT be about "I don't want Ronnie to win, so I guess I'll vote Natalie..." it has to be "Natalie proved why she should win." I would rather lose to Ronnie and explain myself thoroughly and show that I was a gameplayer in a bitter jury than win against Ronnie by taking the easy way out and just answering softball questions to show that I played more than Ronnie (who did nothing).
So sadly, I'd be willing to be a Russell type loser than a Natalie type winner - if that's what it takes. But I didn't play like Russell, so there's no reason to worry that much. But I've been waiting for jury and I hope I do well!
The Final 2 had to plead their cases to the jury of 9.
Natalie: I came into the game wanting to have fun and play a good game. I definitely feel that I accomplished both, and I managed to get myself to the finals as well. One thing about me is that people may not realize how strongly I understood the game and made sure that I made the "right move, right place, right time". I didn't talk with everyone about strategy, but that's because I tried to keep things to people who were essential to my game survival. My goal was to know how to play smartly and efficiently and not overplay the game. But nonetheless I enjoyed talking with everyone I had even if it wasn't about the game. And I can't wait to catch up with everyone after this is all done!
Ronnie: My game was more for survival. I was playing on a week to week basis. Yes, I did have a strategy in my head but during this I was nominated seven times, including the first week. Although I only won HoH twice and on veto, I won them in times of desperate measure. They saved me, or someone who I was helping. I was constantly a target this episode whereas Natalie was known as the nice girl who got along with everyone. People did things to intentionally hurt me and so I had to fight back many times. Eventually, my plans turned out okay. Once I was even completely voted out but because of my eviction flipper 'mystery gift' I was able to stay. By a vote of 10-1 I believe. With all odds against me, I made it to the final two and believe that I had the hardest ride to come by, with the most forceful way about going about things, only to save myself. Thank you all for an amazing game.
First up to speak is Brian.
Brian: Congrats on making it to final 2 guys!
Natalie, even though we found ourselves in opposite sides in both seasons we both played rather well. Gameplay is a large part of this game, so here is my question for you. What sets you apart from other all-stars this season other than the fact that you are in the final 2? Do you think you played strategic the entire time or just when it counted?
Ronnie, despite trying to befriend you when we approached Final 5, you always seemed paranoid with me. That probably wasn't a good idea at the time but I guess it paid off for you in the end. I spoke to other people, and I was still loyal so you had nothing to fear. My question to you is... What players would you say were integral in keeping you each and every week and how far do you think you could have gone had there not been the season 2 alliance?
Ronnie: I feel that much of this game would have looked differently without the season 2 alliance I eventually acquired. Natalie was definitely a huge help to my success, along with a few others along the road. I was only paranoid of you because I felt threatened when you put me on block. You weren't really ever my TARGET, I just had to play a defensive game in order to continue on. I guess I became a little paranoid due to all of the times I had to be on that treacherous block. People like you allowed me to continue on in the game, and then by chance winning the proper HoH and vetos (along with using my mystery power at the right time) I managed to maintain my houseguest status. Thank you for a very well played game, my friend.
Natalie: I think my Diary Room entries will show that I was playing the game from Day 1 - or in the case of with Jen and Sharon - before the game began - ie back in season 2. I don't think anyone would've believed when we found out that there's 18 players in all-stars (main house), that one person would've never been up post-veto. With no inactives, to avoid post-veto nominations (and only one nomination - thanks to Brian ) was a tough thing to do. I think David was the only other person who was aiming to try for that same strategy. I just took better notes and won the final HoH to accomplish that feat - although he did have a tough nomination against Kevin as well. But I never had a vote, never was eligible to be voted on. That makes me different!
While I didn't make bold moves until the second half of the jury phase, I tried to do little things along the way to ensure that my allies were in a better place and my enemies were in a worse place. But I think my Diary Room entries will show that I had a keen awareness of what was going on in the game and that I knew what needed to happen but was always waiting for the right time to enact my plans.
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Next is Nick.
Nick: Neither of you made any attempt to get to know me in this game.
Natalie--Numerous times I tried to spark up a conversation with you, you were nice, and that's great, but why does "nice" deserve to win. You never once started a conversation with me, plus you nominated me calling Brian and me threats. You had all your information second-hand when it came to me, and never once gave me the benefit of the doubt. My question for you is...Do you think playing "nice" is a valid reason for winning this game? In my opinion, playing "nice" doesn't really prove you're a solid game-player.
Ronnie--You were a target throughout the entire game, forcing you to rely on a strong social game. With Brian and I coming into the game, I would have at least expected some sort of welcome to the house, at the VERY least. You never once had a conversation with me. You never once made me feel like you even deserved to be in the game. It was like playing with a ghost, never visible, but your presence loomed. It seemed to me that you used your connections with season 2 to get you this far, and even THAT began to fall apart on you. I believe you were brought to the end by strong players. Therefore, your social game sucked, your competition game sucked, and your strategy was non-existent. Here is my question: Why do you deserve to be there over, say, Jase or Jen? Why should you get any votes just for being a terrible game-player?
Ronnie: Although I never personally messaged you, I posted regularly in the living room and other rooms engaging in overall conversation- I'm sorry that I wasn't so welcoming into the house, I was worried about my own surviving. Although my competition skill were sub-par in many accords, I did compete and was in the game- and eventually won them at the most critical times for myself. I did have alliances with people that weren't belonging to season 2- even if only a few people knew about them. My specialties were hidden from most players- secret alliances/conversations and mystery winnings (eviction swap). Although I laid as low as I could, I think that surviving 7 nominations is an accomplishment in itself. I did rely on my alliances though, there is no question about that- but in the end I won vital competitions. Again, I'm sorry for an improper welcoming, it was just another item on my plate that came after staying in the game. Thank you for a fun game and an interesting interrogation.
Natalie: Nick, I think a theme for me that I really want to show in my answers is that I did NOT want to overplay this game. I knew full well that those who overplayed, played too quickly too fast (examples: Janelle, Jen, Ronnie, Matt, etc.) would be targetted early.
I purposely laid back until it was necessary for me to do so. It wasn't based on a lack of ability. It was a showing of strong restraint. I won plenty of challenges, and against the very very capable David as well (and against Jen for that matter). But those final challenges I won, were not easy, but I won them all. Plus I was very social with everyone once you and Jen were gone. That was when I knew I had to play the game.
I may have looked nice to you, Nick, but I think I played a game that was efficient. I got lots of information from key people most of the time instead of trying to get it from them directly - because if I had tried to do that (like coughJencough), I'd look like a huge gameplayer and I'd have a huge target on my back. But I wasn't nice to Jen - who I forced to vote you out. And I wasn't nice to you - who I put on the block despite you thinking I was good with you. I played hard when I needed but I did so and got results. I made moves that benefitted me only. I wasn't a pawn. But in reality Nick, out of all the players, I think I talked to you more than lots of others during jury phase. So while you think I didn't try to get to know you. I actually did, but I think you wanted to talk more about the game anyway rather than life. So I just went with what you were talking about.
Nick, you were a threat to me, because you had Jen in love, you had David on the side helping you out and you had a strong ally with Brian (who subsequently was working with Jase on the side and Ronnie at one point in the past). You were very charming and were able to get Jen to vote out Steven - who at one point was in her F2. Anyone that can get Jen to do what you want is a strong player. Therefore you had to go.
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Jen was next to question the Final 2.
Jen: It is safe to say that when i was evicted, i might add that episode was the highest rated out of ANY BBR episode ever!! So anyway, when i was evicted it is safe to say you ran this shit, winning 4/5 of the remaining competitions, but my question is, what did you do BEFORE i was evicted, people may say you did nothing and laid low, so girl, tell us, before i left what was your game plan and what strategic moves did you move?
Now Ronnie *blows kisses* this is for you!
You where nominated 7 times, now ok you survived them all, but boy being nominated is not good gameplay! You should have tried to keep a clean slate and so i need you to tell me why you let yourself go up so many times?! You seem to have had no sway over anyone's decisions! Also, i need to know some strategic power plays you made, list me 3 please with reasons of how they affected the game!
Ronnie: Jennifer. I think the thing to look at here was being nominated and surviving seven times. I don't think that many people from season two had a strong liking for me, and so naturally neither did the other ones. I started off on a bad foot and there wasn't much I could do except tread water the entire time. Which I did, making enemies along the way to keep myself alive. Winning HoH at F5 was a huge deal breaker for me- enabling me to stay another week and decide who got to go home. Making the season 2 alliance was also a huge helpout to me, without all of you, I don't see any way that I could have made it all the way here. Or even on jury house for that matter. My mystery box eviction swap was definitely my game saver. With all odds against me, I had something up my sleeve when no one thought possible. Even by being nominated by season 2 alliances, I still survived and showed up when I needed. Thank you for an amazing game and a flirty involvement. You picture is HOT!
Natalie: Truth Jen?
Let's show you what I did before you left. It wasn't a coincidence you got evicted, hun. My biggest strategic move wasn't helping confirm the season 2 alliance in week 3. I can't take sole responsibility for that, but I admit it was a significant move. And it wasn't by being a successful evicting vote week every single week since jury phase (when I could vote).
My biggest strategic move was to help you out the door, all by ensuring that your F2 mate Nick went out first. I knew that there was no way that Jen could be taken out until Nick went first. If Jen ever had been on the block - Nick (or by proxy Brian maybe) could've vetoed her off. But once Nick was gone, I knew Brian and Jen wouldn't work together as closely. Therefore Jen wouldn't have the numbers to save herself. And I don't think anyone saw me putting up Nick and Brian together. No one had a real reason to, except me, who saw them as a strong threat to truly win the game. I felt that if both of them made it to F6, one of them easily would've made finals. And both of them had many friends on the jury.
I'm lying a bit in my jury statements, oh my. Nothing big, but luckily my gameplay was truly kept so close to my heart, that no one can call me out on it. No one knew how I would've really played. After Sharon left, 100% trust went out the door.
But I'm trying my best to show why I deserve the win, and at this point, with Ronnie's lack of response, I think I'll get votes simply because I took a goat to the finals. I'll be interested to see how many people voted for me to win, not how many voted for Ronnie to lose. I know Laura's vote will be that. But I think that others may help me earn the win.
I didn't play the most spectacular game, but I played a solid game that was predicated D1 through astute observations. I'm not stupid. And playing Jen all the time is probably the only thing I can claim to fame.
Apparently I was the only one to not fail in all-stars for my relationship with Jen!
David was next.
David: Hey Ronnie and Natalie! You're probably gonna hate me after my questions. Not because they are mean spirited... but because they are very long. 0.o First time I've ever asked a jury question in a BB game since my first two games in 2007... the feelings and emotions are coming back to me... WHY BRANDY WHY WHY?!?!?! *and scene*
I ask that you atleast answer two of these questions, 2 out of any of the 3 I ask. You can answer the 3rd if you so wish.
Natalie and Ronnie, if your opponent was to win the game, list three reasons why they won/would win & if they were to lose list 3 reasons why they lost/would/should lose.
If they lost it's because...
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If they won it's because...
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Part two, I want you to start off with week 1, down to week 14(?), and list what you did socially, competitively, or strategically to stay off the block, or survive the eviction. Do you think that week was just lucky for you, or did you actually play a part in your surviving?
Week ______ I...
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Finally (don't kill me ) although this isn't Survivor, Richard Hatch stated in season 1 of Survivor what he believed were the three most important elements in winning a game. They were as follows; know who you are, know others (at a game level, not necessarily real life), and have a moral code. My final question set to you is, did you play the game with these factors? If so how? Do you believe those things I mentioned are the three most important factors of winning Big Brother? If not, what's your take on what those three factors are and how did you effectively use those three factors to play the game and win?
Natalie: If Ronnie lost it's because...
1. 9 people voted to evict him in week 4 and only 1 person voted to save him.
2. He was nominated 8 times overall - more weeks than half.
3. He didn't play to win, just to get by.
If Ronnie won it's because...
1. His story arc goes from week 1 target to finalist and overcame all odds.
2. He aligned with the right players early in the game to take him far.
3. He showed that he's more than a caricature of his character.
Part two, I want you to start off with week 1, down to week 14(?), and list what you did socially, competitively, or strategically to stay off the block, or survive the eviction. Do you think that week was just lucky for you, or did you actually play a part in your surviving?
I think the only weeks where I had a legitimate fear that I might go up were 2, 9 and 11 - when Laura or Brian was HoH. The others times, I felt relatively safe. So I don't think luck ever really had much to do with it.
Week ______ I...
1 - I talked to Jordan pre-game and knew I was not a threat to her. Therefore she had no reason to nominate me, because I probably would've kept her safe too that week.
2 - I had aligned with Matt day 1 - and by that point he was talking with the others in power at that time and he arranged for me to stay safe.
3 - Matt was using me so he didn't nominate me. Jase aligned with me so he didn't nominate me and by that time season 2 alliance was confirmed.
4 - I aligned with Jen the week before and I talked with her extensively about her nominations.
5 - Ronnie trusted me then as he did before - and he went after his targets - which only benefited me as well.
6 - Keesha and I had been talking lots up until about week 4-5, so she knew that there was a connection between us that could be used down the road. I wasn't a threat to her then. Jen - well she told me her nominations.
7 - I talked to David after he was nominated and tried to help him figure out who saved/evicted him. This lead to us talking about who he'd nominate. Plus Jen used co-HoH and this helped me find out who would be nominated.
8 - I won HoH. I was mostly gone that week on vacation though. And Keesha's power nullified it all.
9 - Jen brokered a deal with Brian/Nick to help keep me safe. I never actually talked to Brian/Nick about that deal, but it kept me safe at least.
10 - I won HoH and put up Brian/Nick. I never shook on the deal though :S
11 - I won veto. This allowed Jen to be voted out for the first time ever. It was also a memory type competition. But I was good at guessing too.
12 - Ronnie won HoH and I won veto to cement those nominations and then Ronnie and I could vote out whoever we wanted.
13 - I win HoH and veto - Ronnie stays safe.
14 - I win HoH.
Finally (don't kill me ) although this isn't Survivor, Richard Hatch stated in season 1 of Survivor what he believed were the three most important elements in winning a game. They were as follows; know who you are, know others (at a game level, not necessarily real life), and have a moral code. My final question set to you is, did you play the game with these factors? If so how? Do you believe those things I mentioned are the three most important factors of winning Big Brother? If not, what's your take on what those three factors are and how did you effectively use those three factors to play the game and win?
No wonder you won endurance challenges You know how to keep things going.
I know who I am. In fact, I made a strict decision on how I wanted to play from day 1. See my opening statement to see how I wanted to play. I knew others from a game stand point as well. In my diary rooms I always analysed others' behaviours and what it meant for me and the overall game. My moral code was to get to know others, but to know how to not overplay, when to make the right move, and how to purposely make myself weak so that I don't become a target. It's not coincidence that many people wanted to include me in their alliance.
Ronnie: if she lost
: its cause she sat back a lot of the game and let people bicker
: she was always on EVERYONES side, and never drew definite lines
: she won HoH late- when lines between enemies and friends were drawn already, showing that she wouldnt stick her head out and be a game player, just a watcher
if she won
: her leanant strategy carried her
: she won many late HoHs
: she allied with season 2'ers
i think this part is awfully long so ima summarize. 8 of these weeks i was trying to keep by head above water. i know no one likes hearing this, but just to be able to survive that many weeks is enough said. yes- i did have people helping me towards the end as the game played on, but sometimes i relied of pure luck, fate and the brilliance of mystery to get this far. on other weeks, i helped form an alliance, won hohs, won vetos, and had some major strategizing going on when it got down to the final 4 and 5.
the things that you need most are not to know yourself, but being open to change. not knowing others, but accepting who they are and being ready for friendship or enemies. not having a moral code, but setting up guidlines for yourself- the most important guideline being that if all else fails, get a new set of guidlines. being able to strategize throughout the whole game has to be nice, but when you start on block- you sure as hell better be ready to adapt and fast.
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Jase questioned his fellow season 2 veterans.
Jase: Hey final two! What allstar-worthy steps did you take in the game that you think put you ahead of the other houseguests?
Natalie: Hi Jase!
My allstar worthy moves were to win more competitions than the others. I won the HoHs when they counted. And I won the most HoHs (4) than others. I also happened to win the last three vetoes. Because toward the end of the game, vetos become as powerful as the HoH, as I can control who has the majority in the vote. But it also allowed me to keep the streak of never getting a single eviction vote in this game. I relied on my social game to not make me a threat to begin - but I knew when winning competitions would be good for my benefit.
Ronnie: I think the thing to look at here was being nominated and surviving eight times. I don't think that many people from season two had a strong liking for me, and so naturally neither did the other ones. I started off on a bad foot and there wasn't much I could do except tread water the entire time. Which I did, making enemies along the way to keep myself alive. Winning HoH at F5 was a huge deal breaker for me- enabling me to stay another week and decide who got to go home. Making the season 2 alliance was also a huge helpout to me, without all of you, I don't see any way that I could have made it all the way here. Or even on jury house for that matter. My mystery box eviction swap was definitely my game saver. With all odds against me, I had something up my sleeve when no one thought possible. Even by being nominated by season 2 alliances, I still survived and showed up when I needed.
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Steven went next.
Steven: Natalie: How faithful do you feel you were to each member of Season 2, and do you feel like that was your biggest alliance that got you where you are now?
Ronnie: Do you feel you deserve to be in the Final 2 when you had clearly given up at one point in the game?
Natalie: I feel that the Season 2 alliance was integral to how I got to the end. There is no doubt. In fact, even when it was breaking up, I made sure to help everyone stick together. Or at the least, that they were still all loyal to me.
I was faithful most of all to Ronnie. We stuck through it, we didn't always talk a lot, but in the beginning and the end we always did. But part of it was because our conversations would've been "I'm saving you".
Steven, I had nothing to do with your eviction. And I wish I had been around to try to talk some sense into Jen. I'm sure she regrets it now. Obviously I would have rather Brian gone as I put him up, but things worked out where s2 still was 4 parts of f6 - and those that stayed true to you were 3 parts of f4.
The weird thing with Jase is that on the surface it looks like I didn't trust him since I put him up. But Jase was behind only Ronnie for me. The reason I put up Jase as a renom - was because anyone else would have been evicted over Nick. That's more a testament to Nick's ability to sway votes really. But what was interesting is that David, Jen and Ronnie all admit that they wanted Jase gone sooner than later - but when it came to it, they all put their trust in me and evicted Nick instead. So when I put Jase up, it was to be a pawn. I knew what I was doing. And Ronnie evicted Jase even though I would have preferred Jase to stay.
As for Jen. I was not faithful to Jen. I talked with others to make sure Jen goes. I didn't trust Jen from D1. How could I after she took me out at F6 last time. This time around I took her out at F6. Karma.
Ronnie: my giving up was a strategy to win the least votes in a compeition- did it work? i still have allstars fooled, did it work? of course it did! i survived 8 noms. thats not the practical way to play the game but it is the most inspiring. when everything was failing for me i used simple strategies and determination to work my way through. thank you for all you did for me and your partnership with me and others. i hurt to see you go so early :/
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Kevin replaced M.I.A. Dan.
Kevin: Natalie. Hey Girl. You played a great game. I felt like you didn't get the chance to know me, Yeah it's a two way street but you never took the time to PM me, or Anything like that... So I don't know anything about you so anyways i have questions for you.
1) Please Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who played the best game to 9 being who played the worst
2) Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who you got along with personal to who you least got along with
3) If you had to replace your self and Ronnie with 2 jurors who would they be and why.
4) Compare each Juror to someone from the real big brother and say why.
5) Compare each juror to a color and say why
6) Could you have won this game without all your challenge wins? and do you feel like you relied on them in a way?
7) Why did you pick Natalie to play as?
8) What is your favorite color?
9) what did you think of me personally?
Hey Ronnie! How are ya?l. same with Natalie we never talked, So I have questions to try and help me with my decision...
1) Please Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who played the best game to 7 being who played the worst and say why
2) Rank each juror from 1-9 1 being who you got along with personal to who you least got along with and say why
3) If you had to replace your self and Natalie with 2 jurors who would they be and why.
4) Compare each Juror to someone from the real big brother and say why.
5) Compare each juror to a color and say why
6) Do you think if Jen put you up instead of David when I was nominated, Do you think you would have been evicted over me?
7) In your opinion why was I the target that week, When I was up against a previous winner, who almost won again? Was that that a smart move to get rid of me? Why or Why Not?
8) Why did you pick Ronnie to play as? I didn't like him in BB11 so I think that's what made you a target
9) What is your favorite color
10) What did you think of me personally?
Natalie: 1) Game
1. Brian
2. David
3. Nick
4. Keesha
5. Steven
6. Kevin
7. Laura
8. Jase
9. Jen
Concidentally people that got blindsided by Jen were lower than those that made moves before/after Jen got to them.
2) Personal
1. Jen
2. David
3. Keesha
4. Nick
5. Steven
6. Jase
7. Brian
8. Laura
9. Kevin
3) David - because he played a very similar game as last time and still got far. The only reason he was never an immediate threat to me was because he was instrumental for me in votes up until F4. There was a very good chance we would've had a double winner. He played the social game just like me, but unfortunately he sided on a different side than I did. That's the difference between us two.
Keesha - would be a better replacement for Ronnie, because if we say that Ronnie's story arc of playing against all odds got him to where he did, I would say Keesha did an even better job of doing that. Plus Keesha was extremely active in this game and was not only someone who just couldn't be taken out - she won competitions and was fiercely loyal to her alliance too. For me, it's also a toss-up of who to vote for in that F2 - so it would make for an exciting finale. In fact, if Brian had turned on Jen, I think this final two would've been a strong possibility.
4)
David - Lisa from S3. David played a strong social game in which he was likeable to everyone and put himself as the one that no one wanted to take out. Even when Lisa found herself being the only one in her alliance, she put herself in the position as being an available vote when it counted. David did that with me, he made his vote available for me and was always willing to talk. The difference is that Lisa won the F3 HoH.
Jase - Eric from S8. Eric was good at challenges and could pull them out when needed, but most of all, when he wanted to get revenge after a blindside, he went for it and was very creative in trying to get all angles to make it happen.
Brian - Howie in S6. Brian, even though you came in with Nick, you still ventured outward and tried to set up other things so you can exist without him. But at the same time, you relied on Nick a lot and you guys existed as a pair - much like how Howie relied on Rachel and Janelle in the game. You still won competitions like Howie could as well and you were nice enough too.
Jen - I know you want me to give you Jen, but I can't. Jen played a solo game, you didn't. you are more like the bad side of Evel Dick in S8. You managed to make the game all about you. You also managed to get plenty of people to trust you, when you had no intentions of keeping your truth. You talked to everyone got deals with everyone, but you only actually worked with 1 or 2. You also were unabashedly willing to own up to all the bad things you did and thought it was necessary to win.
Nick - Russell from S11. You played a visible game, but you made deals to help you, but you stuck with a F2 that killed you in the end (and I'm really talking about the Jen one). Good player and someone nice to talk to as well, just got taken out by someone who was a little antsy. Just unfortunate that you got taken out by me when in fact you may have actually stuck with me later on, but I know I wasn't your F2 and that was impeded us from making a better relationship. So, I'm sorry for doubting you.
Keesha - I initially thought Keesha from S10, but that's predictable, but I will say Portuguese Michelle from S10. Michelle's allies got kicked early on, but Michelle had opinions and was outspoken about them, but at the same time, if she had to talk to someone not in her alliance, she would do it as well. She loved to have fun when she talked with people individually and she portrayed a strong resilient female. I felt that you Keesha even though all your allies fell one by one, you kept fighting for their sake and it helped you power on and both of you really took advantage of whenever you had the power.
Laura - I'd say Keesha from S10. Keesha was fun in the house and aligned with strong people, but Keesha thought she would've gotten further but was backstabbed a bit early. Keesha was one of my faves to watch in the season because she was willing to have an opinion as well, but she was entertaining and was able to stay out of the limelight, but at the same time not fake into the background.
Steven - This is mostly coincidental, but Natalie from S9. Mainly because I think we got along like I would get along with Natalie from S9. A person that likes to talk to people and has a genuine interest in others for the sake of just being social. But at the same time I felt Natalie was blindsided and was taken out by others for reasons that felt foolish.
Kevin - I'd say Danielle in S7 (allstars). Danielle started off just floating and being social, but when she needed to ensure her safety, she'd talk to people and try to get things in her favor. But like Danielle's trusting Chilltown, you trusted Jen and that was fatal.
5)
David - Sea Green - Nice and calming, but not bold.
Jase - Dark Grey - Muddled, but not bold, but not neutral either.
Brian - Khaki - A traditional color and goes well with everything, but not noticed right away because you always see it all around.
Jen - Stopsign Red - Hard to ignore unless you're blind. Warning sign.
Nick - Yellow - Bright and alert and powerful.
Keesha - Pink - Enhances some colors, but mostly to be worn for the sake of wearing to have pink. You either want it or don't.
Laura - Blue - Along with Red and Green, makes the three primary colors of light (for three winners). A bit soothing and easy to mix with other colors.
Steven - Teal - Calming and neutral, but also a bit suspicious
Kevin - Purple - Not for the weak to wear, but brings out the best in those that dare to.
6) Could I have? I definitely needed the F3 and F4 HoH and I needed anyone but Jen to win the F6 PoV. The rest of the wins made it easier for me to ensure that my boot order was optimal for me, but they were not essential. F7 HoH really helped solidify my boot order because it allowed me to make deals that week to ensure that I would rarely ever be at risk. F5 Ronnie would've never nommed me. I felt that F4 HoH was very nice to win because it meant immunity, but it's always ideal to win either F4 veto or HoH. So There were only two competitions I would've needed to win, and one or two to prevent opponents from winning. Did I rely on them? No. David and I talked plenty in the final part of the game to discuss how we can benefit each other and David was the biggest challenge competition to me anyway.
7) In season 2, I picked a female that was a bit rambunctious sexually and fun and liked to drink. That was the character I wanted to portray then, and it helped that I knew Chelsia and Sharon in advance and they picked females from that season too, so we knew there would be pictures of us altogether. When I watched the season, Natalie wasn't my fave. So a combination of wanting to be an outrageous character and it complemented what others chose.
8) I like wearing pink, so I'd actually choose that. But I like red too. But I'm color blind, so colors aren't something that I really put too much effort into.
9) I was actually really disappointed that we didn't get to know each other better. I knew some people you liked and all that, but in the fairness of the game, you were not essential to my gameplay, so you fell to the wayside. I could've just talked to you about shows, or how was your day and all and still not talked about the game, but I never saw you on AIM (likely due to schedules), and the people not in my alliance that I got close to (Jordan and Keesha mostly) early in the game was because of those AIM convos. To me, you were someone there, but you weren't after me and you weren't an immediate threat to me.
Ronnie: 1. Brian
2. David
3. Nick
4. Keesha
5. Steven
6. Kevin
7. Laura
8. Jase
9. Jen
1. Jen
2. David
3. Keesha
4. Nick
5. Steven
6. Jase
7. Brian
8. Laura
9. Kevin
it seems we had very similar opinions.
jase and jen should have stayed. they know how to play and they work very well together if they try.
(skipping a few questions- dont mean to offend just on a time crunch)
i most definitely believe that by me not being nominated i would have been evicted if things were changed. surviving a few weeks prior with my mystery power showed that only one person was on my side and things were only going downhill from there. not many people seemed to get to know you very well which i think was the fall of your victory.
ronnie was chosen not so much for the character he played but for the real person he is, out of the game. as in this episode, he has heart and determination- even if he is disliked due to some annoyances. he likes to have fun and he likes to get to business. i thought by choosing him, i would be fighting against the odds and to make it to the final 2 in allstars is showing a lot of effort went into it.
im a fighter, my favorite color has to be red.
personally, i thought you were a guy to be pushed around, but to me that was normal- i was the king of getting pushed around. i feel that some people walked on you undeservingly but in other circumstances you stood up for yourself in gameplay. i think you got out of it what you put in, as did most, and thats all we can ask for.
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Keesha was next.
Keesha: OK, the way you answer Kevin's questions will determine my vote.
Also, to the both of you: What did you think of me as a player?
If I would've made it to the final 2, do you think I could've had a shot at winning? If so, who do you think I could've won against (on the jury) and who I would've lost to.
Did you think of me as someone you could trust? If so, why? If not, why not?
Natalie: Keesha, I thought you were a very loyal player and you were fun to talk to. I really did enjoy our conversations. But after some time, I really didn't log onto AIM as much and we lost contact. I thought that you made shrewd choices that you made in light of what got thrown at you in the game. I think that had you made Jen a closer ally in the beginning of the game or if you had more links to S2 people rather than S1, you could've easily won the game by backstabbing us and going on your own. Early in the game, S2 people told me you were a threat because you were too close to Jordan. That's why I feel that you went up against Janelle. It was meant to separate you off from the rest. But you stuck to your game and you didn't stray.
Before the game began, I feel that you and Nick had strong potential because you two were highly favored from the spectators in S3. Therefore people wanted to align with you guys more than the others from S3.
Keesha - I think you could've won over lots of people - your storyline would've been great. You stuck with Jordan when she went up and you took some bullets in that veto challenge when you offered to give up your vote. To make it far without a vote and make F2 would've been the best come back story ever.
In fact since you still didn't have a vote, you were more of a compromise choice when I put you up in week 8. My original nominations would've likely been Brian vs Laura. But Jase put up Laura and Nick instead. So from my choices of people I would've been willing to put up, you ended up going on the block - David and I agreed not to put each other up that week and I felt Jase, Ronnie, Steven or Jen were too valuable at that time to me to put up.
I think you Keesha would've won over Jen, Jase, Kevin, Brian, or Nick easily. I think vs. Steven, it might have been close but you would likely win. I think you would've lost to David, in fact I'm not sure many of us could win over David with this jury, because of the target on his head from D1. Subsequently, I think Laura would've won as well for having the double-winner edit as well.
Keesha, because I was never formally aligned with you, I can't say I put full trust in you. However, I knew that whatever you told me about the game was honest and truthful and I returned the favor and told you the truth whenever I could. So in that way, if I asked you something, I trusted your word. Could I have trusted that you would've taken me far in this game - I can't say that - because we never had anything concrete in any agreement. We pretty much tried to not target each other, but I felt that at some point, our paths diverged and we couldn't stay just nice acquaintances any more. But that was because of who we each sided with early in the game, not because of our personality traits.
Ronnie: i was most threatened by you compared to any other player out there. you had me scared much of the game because i felt like you were forming alliances behind my back and forcefully keeping me out of them. i felt like you played a really hard game, probably harder than any other player and for that i think that you would have won over anyone. you were similarly compared to a chima role in our season 2 game (whom i disliked and whom seemingly disliked me haha) and so as i said before, i was threatened. there was no way i could stand against you blonde brigade, there was no way i could stand against you. ss2 alliance was the only thing i had going for me for much of the game while trying to keep my head above the water. i know it sounds pathetic, but to be honest, surviving thru that while keeping on a seemingly straight head wasnt a simple task. i feel like you would have succeeded much better and were only eliminated because you were a big player. again i say, i think you played a very well game and was inspired by some of your tactics.
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Laura was the last juror to question.
Laura: Hello final two. I know you both are pretty nervous to be up there. I mean after all, you beat out the best players in Big Brother Recycled - ever. Including all three previous winners. And you're in the final two for the 1st time ever. Congratulations to both of you - even though, I don't think either of you deserve to win. But I guess I have to vote. Here are my questions for the both of you. Be as honest as possible, because honesty is the best policy.
Natalie - Why should you win this game over Ronnie? Why did you vote to evict me? In your opinon who were the biggest targets of this series?
Ronnie-Rat - You were a target all game, so it's no surprise you just decided to float your way through the game.
Both of You - Describe each Juror in one word and give an explanation for why you choose that adjective.
Natalie: Laura I evicted you because you put up Sharon and Ronnie. It was a vengeful vote. Even though I knew you couldn't win HoHs, I voted you because I was loyal to an alliance til the end. Sharon was aligned with me, so therefore I owed it to her to vote you out. I was also aligned with Ronnie from Day 1, therefore I would've never voted him out. I was loyal to my real alliances.
I should win the game because I studied this game inside and out. I was always thinking to myself what my opponent's best moves were so I could try to make sure that I was in the best position as a result. I tried to think in chess moves. I always wanted to anticipate the moves that would have to be made two weeks in advance. I also studied this game inside and out and took the best notes of this series and other series as well. It was not a coincidence that any memory challenge I won. I was a student of this game, and I had to learn from the best.
As such, the biggest targets in this game were Keesha, Jen, David and Nick/Brian. Laura, you would've been a bigger target if you hadn't believed Jen so much. Keesha and David and Brian knew not to trust Jen once jury hit (or even before), therefore they knew when to break away. Plus all of them had many friends in the jury. More than me. And of course the biggest target was Jen. It'd be silly to not acknowledge that she somehow made the game all about her. You were either with her or not.
Kevin - Loyal. Kevin played a very under the radar game and stuck with his alliances yet didn't try to befriend or be nice to anyone not in his alliance.
Laura - Motivator. Laura, you seemed to be the person that could talk to people and get to know them and keep an alliance together to be the glue. Even when things looked down, you seemed to be more optimistic for a group.
Steven - Suspicious. Steven had an inkling that things were odd before Jen decided to vote him out, and Steven knew that Jen wasn't the best person to trust. But unfortunately Jen struck first.
Keesha - Resilient. Even though everyone in her alliance voted her instead of Janelle, Keesha still stuck through and stuck to her word knowing that she was in no better situation switching sides. And Keesha made it far through good competitions and a nice prize.
Nick - Charming. Nick could charm the biggest secret out of you through the way he has with words. That's how he got so much information and to get people to want to align with him.
Jen - Overwhelming. To talk strategy with Jen is a lot to take in. You better be prepared to clear your schedule if you let her do it. But her smarts have to go somewhere, and if she trusts you, she'll give you an earful.
Brian - Dedicated. Brian knew to play the game and I felt he was playing it from the moment he got into the big brother house. He didn't lay back and he played his hardest until the end.
Jase - Patient. Jase was a good listener and when I had to share something with him, he knew how to listen well. I just feel that most people didn't get a chance to know him, but I'm glad I did.
David - Earnest. David was the most honest, endearing player there was in this game. It was no coincidence that few targetted him then. Just a great all around guy!
Ronnie: thanks for not asking me a question?
i would describe everyone but i dont think that is necessary. you have to do what you can to survive- and that is what i had to experience. sometimes you go thru hardship- i went thru 8. sometimes you win and get to take the high road (hohs and vetos) and sometimes you just gotta pull something out of your ass to make things work (mystery box). this makes a game work. you dont sit through life just being nice to everyone and living for how people want you to live. does anyone win that way on the actual show? no. they take action. they make enemies. they survive as long as they can- even if they hang on a string. holding out to the end is the say all end all quality that is seen in me against our precious and loving natalie.
I hate Laura
It was now time for the crowning of the winner. The Final 2 gave their pleas, the jurors voted, and the votes were tallied. In the end, Natalie proved to be the better competitor and won the game by a vote of 8-1. Every juror except Steven voted for her to win.